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>> martha: that is the story of monday, august 12th, 2019. as always, the story goes on. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: hey. good evening. i'll come to tucker carlson tonight. i'm mark stein in fort tucker who is gone fishing. but don't worry, he's going. joining us tonight for a special appearance. while his fishing, jeffrey epstein is sleeping with the fishes. the billionaire and sex trafficker on saturday morning just hours after hundreds of pages, detailing his connection with senators, governors.
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we are going to try to put this puzzle together. tonight, we have the fox chief breaking news correspondent, trace gallagher. trace. >> market, attorney general bill barr says that he will get to the bottom of this, pointing out that a number of serious irregularities were found at the federal jail. he would not go into detail, but our reporting shows the following. at the time of his death, jeffrey epstein was not on suicide watch. he recall back in july 23rd, he was found in his jail cell with bruises on his neck. he had been beaten up, but the injuries were treated as self-inflicted, and epstein was placed on suicide watch. a series of psychiatric assessment and pressure from his attorney, the suicide watch was lifted. he was placed in a special housing with a cellmate. the cellmate transferred out. so at the time of his death, epstein was alone.
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he assured the department of justice that epstein would be checked every 30 minutes. but prior to be found unresponsive, epstein hadn't been checked for several hours. the prison guards so that it was a direct result of understaffing. both guards on duty were working overtime. one was doing an 80 hour week. still, experts say it's unusual for such a hey prideful profilo be ignored. numerous reports say that he hanged himself and that he did it with a bedsheet tied to a bunk bed. even though the autopsy is complete, results are pending, because the medical examiner needs more information. so basically everything that could go wrong did go wrong. thank you for that. what could jeffrey op dominic
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epstein's autopsy revealed? fox medical contributor has answers to both those questions and more. let's just start with this autopsy, dr. period isn't unusual for the autopsy to be delayed, the results of it to be delayed as they have been? >> yes, it is unusual. it makes me wonder, the medical examiner has said that it was a hanging. but they still have to determine exactly how that occurred and whether he actually hanged himself. that would be one thing on my mind. the other thing is, suicide is very, very common in prison. 1 out of 3 deaths in prison are suicides. but this particular death has only had one suicide. i've been there. the metropolitan prison is a
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disgusting place. it is not a pretty place at all. but the other question that has come up is where where the cameras? he was moved to special housing. where was the observation? why wasn't he being observed? i can tell you that somebody who had supposedly been on suicide watch, no psychiatrist would take a person off of suicide watch in this kind of condition condition*. take some off of suicide watch and then say, okay, he's fine. that's not how a psychiatrist would ask. >> mark: his suicidal tendencies cleared up. that's the official position. that's ridiculous from a medical perspective. before i have never seen that in all my years of practice. it has never happened. it would not go away. no self-respecting psychiatrist would ever say, "okay, he's no longer suicidal." it lingers. >> mark: let's go to that other statistic you said.
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if you are a judge and you don't want to give a guy bail and do you want to send him to a jail where he is not going to commit suicide or not going to be able to commit suicide, this place is manhattan correctional center, about the best record in the country. this makes me wonder, because listen, you shouldn't have the kind of bed sheets that you can hang yourself with. you should have paper bedsheets. you shouldn't have any whether you can hang yourself from. where are you hanging yourself from? the ceiling should be too high for that. again, we have the ability to have the kind of technology to be observing. if he were in a psych ward, no we don't have maximum security, if he were in a psych ward, the protocol says every 15 minutes, every single patient needs to be seen and examined. if it's a suicide watch, it's constant. so it's clearly very, very
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unusual that he would be taken off of suicide watch, put in a room where he's unobserved, and no cameras are pointed at him. before you know prisons well, and you know that sex offenders get treated the worst in prison. >> mark: and i also pointed out to you about the suicides, i should add that the number of suicides is highest among sex offenders and also homicides. highest among sex offenders. they get targeted, they get beaten up, they get murdered, and they take their own lives. how can it be that you have a high valued prisoner like this, one of the most high profiled prisoners the planet, and he doesn't get the surveillance that an ordinary patient would get? how does that happen? >> dr marc: i can't imagine that because he could have been transferred to a psychiatric hospital. i think that's why the attorney general is saying there are irregularities here. this is almost unbelievable that that, that this occurred.
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>> mark: thank you, doctor. we will call in the law enforcement. jim fitzgerald whose a retired fbi. he also has experiences with the exact prison where epstein died. jim fitzgerald joins us now. jim, we've had all day on fox and other station mic stations about the protocols in the situation. but given the unique situation here, why didn't jeffrey epstein have a kind of custom-built protocol? he's high profile people, not just in the united states establishment, but from countries overseas and elsewhere. why, in other words, was this neglect allowed to happen? >> jim: well, mark, i'm going to start out with an anecdote. when i was a young sergeant in
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suburban philly, along with the u.s. marshals, we arrested an international hit man. was involved in killing people in italy, the u.s. once we brought him in our little jail cell, it was my job to sit in a chair and stare at him through the bars for 4 hours straight. a year and a half later, guess what, the same guy tried to escape the mcc using bedsheets. he didn't make them long enough and fell out the window and died. so whether he was committing suicide, trying to escape, who knows. but the point is that the protocols failed that night in 1984 and it failed again obviously, saturday morning, friday night whatever when this all fell apart. i heard the doctor before hand saying about the suicide watch.
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past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior. only two weeks ago, he tried to kill himself and he wasn't on suicide watch. something was greatly wrong in those protocols. >> mark: yeah, he might have been suicidal, but he's a wealthy billionaire with all these connections, with politicians, with the royal family. what is the natural position of a guy and his situation to say, "okay, if i'm going down, everybody else is going down to." in other words, it's not an automatically suicidal situation, is it? >> jim: well, it's not, and i assure you, without knowing any of the inside information, but knowing how these cases work, there are deals as we speak, certainly before his death.
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maybe epstein was willing to give some people up. but certainly people who were accused of things. this case is not going away. there are still plenty of victims out there. there are plenty of women now who were young girls when this all happened. so you can't rule out that this is a homicide. all indications are suicide, but as any investigator knows, you treat any suspicious death has a homicide intel you can consider otherwise. >> mark: thanks for that, jim. judith miller is a contributing editor at the journal. she's also an ex-jailbird. she says a lot happened to epstein. it is unfathomable. in fact, you recited your prison number. i've got it around here. we will run it along the lower, we will run along the lower third. it's in your biography.
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you've been in these cells, and you've heard this thing about the bedsheets, for example. if you are moved to high-security, you are given these paper bags. >> judith: exactly. that's one of the many circumstances in mr. epstein's death that just doesn't make sense. i mean, you are watched all of the time when you are on suicide watch. when you are not on suicide watch, the protocols of this jail require that he be checked every 30 minutes. he was not. the protocols of this prison required that he have a roommate. but the roommate that he had was transferred out on friday night, the night before he died. >> mark: hundreds of years, predating the birth of this republic, all have been designed so that two or three things can go wrong, but the fourth, fifth,
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and six work and save the day. here, everything that could go wrong did go wrong. is that remotely credible? >> judith: well, it's what they say happened, and that's why i think bill barr, the attorney general is so upset about this particular case and what happened to jeffrey epstei epstein. my husband's name is epstein, i like to make that difference. but my concern is that everything depends on at least some of the protocol being observed. and in this instance, as you point out, conveniently, everything went wrong. i have so many questions still about what happened in that jail. now, there are usually, by the way, no cameras in a cell, but there are cameras everywhere in the common areas. so the jail would know who went in, went out, at what time.
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>> mark: but just to go back to basics here, judith, when you went to prison, you were convicted. >> judith: no. >> mark: you volunteered. >> judith: i was protecting the first amendment. >> mark: but my point is that this guy is at the preliminary stage. all of the united states government had to do was keep him alive until the trial. and it's brazen. if you were, you wouldn't put anything this obvious where he just gets whacked before the trial. it's brazen when it's incompetence or corruption. they seem to be leading toward the latter one of those explanations. >> judith: i know that people love to embrace conspiracy theories, mark, but i really think that we have to wait until all of the facts are in. and the facts are changing a lot. we know some things about his
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death. we don't know others. for example, why was he taken off suicide watch? now, his lawyers wanted him off. >> mark: supposedly. they won't be straightforward. >> judith: exactly. they can't speak to this at the moment. but we are going to know that. and these "serious irregularities" at the prison, which william barr referred to, i think our dominic really should be the focus of journalistic effort. that, and the promise that any coconspirators who were working with mr. epstein to traffic young girls, will be brought to justice. i mean, that's what's really important. >> mark: well, gee think think that will happen? because maxwell who is the society lady from london. somewhat of a euphemism.
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apparently, the feds have lost their way. i don't understand how that can happen either. >> judith: there are so many odd things that have happened in this case that it's almost impossible to believe, but i remain shocked and outraged by his death. this shouldn't happen. no one should die of natural causes while awaiting their day in court. it's just not right. >> mark: that's absolutely true. a great day of shame and absolutely our outrageous. we are going to revisit the epstein case and the wild conspiracies swirling around his demise. also, joe biden can't even remember when he served his advice residential term. but he says that you should ignore that. that's next. tucker is fishing, but he's putting down the pole and he's going to be making a special appearance with us today paired you won't want to miss that.
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>> poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids, wealthy kids, asian kids. >> mark: that same day, biden also announced that he believes in the truth so much. >> we choose science over fiction. we choose truth over facts. >> mark: and then, over the weekend, he forgot his own advice presidential term and believed he was still in office during the shooting last year. >> i watched those kids when i was vice president. some of you covered it. you watch what happened on the halls of congress. they were basically cowering not wanting to see them. they did not want to have to face it on camera. >> mark: at this rate, biden may soon accidentally announced that he is running for president
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of costa rica. paul says it's unfair to . he says that we should all lay off instead. we are not going to take that advice. instead we are going to talk to how we howe. these gaps are going to be coming every 45 minutes or so. >> yet, mark, there is a favorite sign seinfeld episodee his uncle leo is caught at the library. the books are falling out of his raincoat, and he starts yelling, "i'm an old man. i'm confused. death what's going on here. you fill in for rush limbaugh, that's three hours a day. i'm on four hours a day every day on the radio. you know, it's vigilance when
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you're speaking in public. that's the way it is. if i ever get in a jam if i may speak, i don't ask for any special treatment. just treat me like joe biden. >> mark: and let me ask you this, since you mentioned just a confused old man, he's been making gaps since he was 12 years old. he made gas when he was running against chester. he hasn't changed in that respect. but what's the difference is that he looks kind of woozy and wobbly and out of it now. just compared to bernie or elizabeth warren, neither of who are spring chickens. but he seems out of it compared to the way the other geezers in the primary are. >> yeah, well last week, he was having trouble pronouncing kkk.
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>> mark: you know how to pronounce it, but you are the racist, how we. >> and andrea mitchell on msnbc, she explains that he was tired. but would they ever extend that benefits of the doubt to donald trump? i think not. this whole thing, he was making these same gaps when he was in his 40s. well, you know that's why his campaign exploded 32 years ago. the irony here, mark is that you were talking about the welch politician. that was at the iowa state fair too. you would think that he would say, i'm not going to let lightning strike twice in the same place. this is a guy that said, it's all about a three letter word. jobs. jay.
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all. b. s. the list goes on. just in the last week, he's just made a complete fool of himself. the democrats in the media are defending him, because i think the other front running candidates are so unpalatable, so dreadful, but they are sort of attached to this guy. they think that he can at least muddle through. >> mark: they did that for years ago, though. they tried to drag an unlikable unsuitable candidates are dominic across the finish line. i don't think that's going to work a second time, but thanks for that. it's like the number 27 bus. you wait a third of a century at the iowa state fair. it's amazing. at least, having discussed the so-called front runner, we will now discuss the 57 other candidates. lisa is our go to gal for
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drilling down on these presidents in waiting, which with the democrat party is spectacularly endowed. >> lisa: i do my best. here's what i think is really weird that is going on. remember when she labeled half of trump supporter's. here she is labeling 30 million people as racist, homophobic, sexist, and the list goes on. well guess what. trump won states that republic has had one for decades. he was able to flip. wisconsin, rather. michigan, 12 counties that he was able to flip. and democrats are going to try to win back those counties, win back those states. but instead, what they are doing is going back that same road. watch beto o'rourke. >> you thought to me that you
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thought president trump was a white nationalist. i just one dumb i wonder, he won your home state of texas by. do you think it's racist to vote for president trump in 2020? >> i think it's really hard. after everything that we've see seen. >> he does think it's racist, but he can't quite bring himself to say it. >> lisa: what's even worse than this, is that you saw last week when castro and supporters put themselves on twitter. instead of being able to look at that and say, you know what, this is wrong. you shouldn't have done that. she refused to do that. >> what about castro, publishing the names of some of his donors. publicly available information. but some would say that he is targeting these individuals. is that helpful or is that
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dangerous given what you are describing? >> those are his choices, not mine. >> mark: she is what tucker calls a zombie candidate. there's nothing inside there, essentially. >> lisa: her bigger candidate is that she has just flipped her policy position. she will say whatever she needs to say. but even beyond some of these other things that we addressed tonight, you always have an msnbc, who called people to show up with pitchforks, when he held a fund-raiser for donald trump over the weekend. here's what he said. >> i have no problem with shining the light back on the donors who fund this kind of racialized hate. i go further. i want a pitchfork and torches outside this man's house in the hamptons. i've been to the hamptons. it's very nice. there is no reason why he should be able to have a nice little
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party. >> mark: this guy is actually paid by msnbc, and he's inciting the mob to go to private citizen's homes. >> lisa: he is a frequent guest on msnbc, my understanding, but you're right. he's calling for action. here we have a lot of people on the left indicting president trump. saying that he is saying insightful rhetoric it dominic they are hypocrites. >> mark: yeah, absolutely. but they don't get called on it, oddly enough, the way that donald trump does. >> lisa: well, they don't, because one of the biggest things that we've learned under the age of trump, is the perception of objectivity that exists in the mainstream medium is gone. people who attempt to be objective, no longer care. now, they are just wearing
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democrat on their sleeve and they don't even care. >> mark: keep watching these guys, lisa, for us. bill de blasio had 15 people. i'm not even eligible to run. >> lisa: is that an announcement question mostly when you come of that is an announcement. thank you. lawmakers are considering proposing a meat tax on their citizens. that's just ahead. and then, tucker carlson puts down the fishing rod and joins us for a special segment. more coming up. ♪
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>> mark: in 2006, al gore made a lot of bold predictions about what climate change could do to the world. in fact, he said that it could kill the world if we do not stop global warming by 2016. that's three years ago. tell mike that the world would
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be finished. well, it's 2019, and we are still here just about. but al says, that doesn't matte matter. a new interview says that he was actually right back in 2006, despite us being three years past the point of no return, he still campaigning for more climate activism. but just don't expect him to give up his suvs or private jet travel. that said, some people are doing exactly that. in sweden, 23% of people claim that they've decided against flying for climate reasons. who takes in all day 850-mile train ride twice a week to brussels, just to avoid ever boarding a plane. i like that guy. not like leonardo dicaprio or prince harry. but i'm happy to put in a word for that swedish guy. they are getting a lot of
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strange climate ideas over in europe. in germany, lawmakers have introduced a bill that would increase a 19% value-added tax to all of the meat in the country. in the united kingdom, goldsmiths university in london has banned all beef, all burgers entirely, in the name of the planet. make no mistake, there are people who want to do the same thing in america, until we all have to do dominic get our protein by eating mealworms and grasshoppers. ashley byrne is associate director of peta. she joins us. now, peter actually is in favor of a meat tax. is that right? >> ashley: peta has been an advocate for a meat tax for so many years, because of the fact that we already have similar taxes on things like soda, cigarettes, and alcohol, and their effect on health.
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we also have a similar tax on things that are health dominic harmful for the environment. it is a top contributor to what is killing americans. it is one of the primary culprits behind every major environmental concern, whether you are talking about climate change, water pollution, air pollution, or to forestation. we should be following a similar pathway. >> mark: i mean, alexandria ocasio-cortez obviously when she launched the green new deal. but you don't actually, that doesn't apply to all animals. there was a survey at the university of waterloo in canada, for example, that suggested that using pig meat, you could actually use that as fuel and it would be, in fact,
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more environmentally friendly than say, natural gas. >> ashley: well, if we want to get a real picture of the environmental impact and the agricultural industry as a whole, we need to look beyond methane and beyond climate change. we need to look at things like air pollution and water pollution, and the fact that deforestation is happening at an alarming rate to farm land for grazing. >> mark: but that's mostly in africa and other parts of the southern hemisphere, where they have a population explosion. essentially, we are reforestation in north america and the west of the development. >> ashley: but giant chunks of the amazon. also, again, if you look at things like water pollution. right here in the united states, the epa says that animal agriculture is the leading culprit behind water pollution. and the reason for that is the fact that you see animals and
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killed for food in the united states produces ten times more excrement than the entire human population in this countr country. we really have an environmental crisis on our hands. it goes beyond climate change. >> mark: to go back to that survey, the university seems to think that instead of just leaving it there, that we can actually take that stuff and power our homes and our motor vehicles with it. isn't that innovation, isn't that more likely to be beneficial to the planet than simply abolishing what is a staple of the human diet? >> ashley: well, it's not, because there are other concerns. for instance, the fact that we use tremendous resources, water, food, land to produce.
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it only yields as a small amount in terms of what we are putting in. the waste is incredible. if you look at the fact that actually, we have alternatives now, the taste of meat, the texture of meat. they are delicious, and their impact on the environment to so much lower. why would we deal with these interest industries that are outdated when we have better options? >> mark: you look at the big chains, burger king, mcdonald's, wendy's. and that's the other point here. isn't this a regressive tax, that the people who like arugula on a bed of arugula are the elite. the fancy salad restaurants in beverly hills and martha's vineyard. it's the man in the street who's getting a burger. this meat tax would be a regressive tax on the poorest people in society. >> ashley: well first of all,
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the man on the street is looking for a plant-based options now too, which is why restaurants like burger king are adding vegan options to their menu. but we also have to look at health concerns. that's another reason that a lot of people advocate for a tax on meat. again, meet is one of the leading contributors to some of the top killers of americans. the fact is that right now, our meat is heavily subsidized. so the taxpayer, the poor decision of people who are choosing to eat even though they know that it's bad for their help and if that for the environment. >> mark: i saw a guy had a ball game this morning was holding a burger. that seemed to me -- the administration has announced a new rule change that will deny green cards to immigrants in america who rely on welfare
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programs. the director of u.s. citizenship and immigration services. a branch of the bureaucracy i know well. he joins us today. i'm slightly confused by this, director, because i have diverted memories in which they were deeply concerned. i was self-employed and i didn't have a regular source of income. he wanted to ensure that it would it be a charge on the public. that question was around a while ago. is it just not been asked anymore? >> well, it's actually been around, mark, for almost 140 years. it wasn't new to you. they didn't make it up just for you. you shouldn't feel singled out. [laughs] >> but, i will say, for the last couple of decades, because of the guidance issued after the 1996 version of this law, it's
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been ineffective. and so the rule we issued today, public charge rule, is intended to once again, a meaningful effect to the public charge standard. what that is an ordinary english for people watching, is basically that we try to avoid having immigrants come through our process, come to our country, or become green card holders, who are likely in the future to become welfare dependent. that is what this rule is about. >> mark: and the left is up in arms, because this applies to illegal immigrants. the green card is to be renewed every ten years. so you are saying that if you came into the country and worked for six months and then spent nine and a half months as a public charge, you wouldn't renew the green card of people who were existing so-called
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"permanent residence." >> ken: our agency, the u.s. cis will encounter people's when they try to get that first green card. i know you know more about this than your viewers do. i'm sure you can. i'm sure you can. probably better in the commercial break. just my own opinion. but this is a point at which we will now screen more effectively for the possibility that people may become dependent on the government in the future. and the congress has told us, we have to look at her age, health, financial status, skills, education. and this is a way we measure the possibility. >> mark: we are going to follow this one, can. thanks very much and thanks for letting me stay, by the way. as promised, the regular all-american host of this program is fully in order.
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he will be here next. tucker is out on his fishing break and back on screen. also ahead, big pharma, flooding american cities with millions of deadly painkillers. they were addicting. that's all to come on tucker carlson tonight. ♪ in the human brain, billions of neurons play in harmony.
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used for legitimate purposes, treating cancer for example. they have avoided all responsibilities so far. it's not because they are not guilty. there is growing evidence that the drug companies and pharmacies directly feel addictions by flooding with massive amounts of painkillers. he joins us tonight for some perspective on this. thanks a lot for coming on. give us just that. some perspective. when we read that he flooded the community with open way opioid tablets, what's that mean? >> i think it started in 2016 when they recorded the 780 million opioid pills were distributed in west virginia during a year window. we only have 128 million residents in our state.
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that data comes from the database held by the dea. through this national litigation, we have access to the national data. across the country during this eight year window, 76 billion pills were distributed. >> tucker: clearly, the federal government was tracking this. you have the numbers. the government themselves knew this was going on. why did nobody say anything about this? >> well, it's a difficult question that congress has been asking. and from what we understand, it sort of like the fcc with wall street. millions and millions of transactions happen every single day on wall street. and they are not the clearinghouse. just because the transaction goes through doesn't make it lawful. but what they can do is they can go backwards in time and identify a particular series of
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transactions and recreate exactly what happens. the same thing applies with the dea's database. there are literally hundreds of millions of transactions. there is no feasible way for the dea to monitor and clear them as they go through. but what they are able to do is go backwards in time. what we've done in this litigation, is we have been able to get access to the entire database, go back in time, and identify which communities were flooded. >> tucker: well, we know a lot of those were in ohio and west virginia, as you said. if you are a drug company and you are sending millions and millions and millions of opioid tablets to a single small county in westridge and west virginiae to know what's going on, don't you? >> this wasn't an isolated event. this happens all over the country. like, for instance, i looked up,
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you went to trinity college in hartford, connecticut. 192 million pills were sold in hartford, connecticut, during an eight year window. there is a pharmacy and a half mile from trinity college that sold 350,000 pills of opioid in one year. what my hope is is that this is a great awakening. every community in the country needs to understand, this didn't happen in someone else's backyard. this happened in your backyard. >> tucker: still, the point is, it's the opposite of the lie that we are told by the libertarians, which is that this is a demand problem. we have a drug epidemic, that americans want drugs. what you are telling us is that when you fought a community with drugs, a lot of people people e addicted to drugs. >> it shocking, right. but let's be clear what we are flooding with. it's opium. it's been around since the byzantine era. governments have been toppled
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by. the chinese had a war. we've sold 76 billion pills of opioids in america. it's not shocking that what we are saying is the fruits of laying all of these seeds across america. its abuse. it is a tsunami, and we haven't seen the end of it. >> tucker: yeah, and our politicians land the population for it. thanks for coming on tonight, and godspeed. >> no problem. thank you. >> mark: well, hartford, connecticut. everybody seems to have a conspiracy theory about jeffrey epstein's death. we are tracking all of them. that's next on tucker carlson tonight. is a pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere.
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♪ >> mark: almost everyone is
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suspicious of jeffrey epstein's convenient death. he has been putting together everything. >> mark, when you are a sex offender and you kill yourself right when they decide to ignore it. msnbc's isn't convinced answers will be forthcoming. watch. >> this is now a facility under control of the department of justice. and this department of justice does not exactly inspire confidence. let's just be blunt. his justice department is not one that you can rely upon and feel confident in. >> mark: they are in charge of everything now. president trump also weighed into conspiracy theory waters. suicide watch, yeah right. how does that happen? now, he's dead. we know who did this.
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retweet if you are not surprise surprised. epstein suicide, clinton. the president wants everything investigated. thanks for that, trace. tune in. sean hannity is here. >> sean: market, it's good to see you. it took me a year year to get r on the pulse. i'm going to get you on the post at some point. i don't know when. take it away. great show. good to see you. >> mark: it's all yours. >> sean: welcome to hannity. buckle up. a lot of news tonight. a horrific disaster this weekend for sleepy creepy crazy uncle joe biden. the media mob is even sicker. everything they are saying and doing. they are never going to admit they are wrong. they've peddled lies, conspiracy theories, a hoax. now they've just doubled up

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